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		<title>By: Doreen</title>
		<link>http://www.saramayhew.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/efficacy-in-substance-abuse-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-7045</link>
		<dc:creator>Doreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!</description>
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		<title>By: Sara E.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.saramayhew.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/efficacy-in-substance-abuse-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-6838</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara E.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 01:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any relavant differences between spirituality and religion. Regardless, the Supreme Court has ruled AA religious in nature. AA have no evidence to support its efficacy. The head organization that runs AA does not do any self-assessment, nevermind having any third-party assessments, to evaluate their own program and make changes based on new information. The notion that any program could be flawless and should remain unchanged in 50+ years is foolish and irresponsible.

Consider that you may be emotionally invested in your long years given to the program and this could hinder your ability to think skeptically towards it. It is precisely the most intelligent and educated who are prone to holding onto old ideas; they are more capable of rationalizing the irrational reasons they continue to believe something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any relavant differences between spirituality and religion. Regardless, the Supreme Court has ruled AA religious in nature. AA have no evidence to support its efficacy. The head organization that runs AA does not do any self-assessment, nevermind having any third-party assessments, to evaluate their own program and make changes based on new information. The notion that any program could be flawless and should remain unchanged in 50+ years is foolish and irresponsible.</p>
<p>Consider that you may be emotionally invested in your long years given to the program and this could hinder your ability to think skeptically towards it. It is precisely the most intelligent and educated who are prone to holding onto old ideas; they are more capable of rationalizing the irrational reasons they continue to believe something.</p>
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		<title>By: theo paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>theo paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 02:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You totally do not understand the value of AA. There are thousands of AA meetings every day addended my millions of people. It is not a cult. It is not a religeon. It is a spiritual based program that gives a terrific program for living. I cannot understand the criticism for a program that keeps people sober, that emphasises honesty, service to others, serenity.
I have been working the AA program for 15r years. I am an educated person iwth a skeptical questioning attitude and I think that your remarks of wrong and completly off base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You totally do not understand the value of AA. There are thousands of AA meetings every day addended my millions of people. It is not a cult. It is not a religeon. It is a spiritual based program that gives a terrific program for living. I cannot understand the criticism for a program that keeps people sober, that emphasises honesty, service to others, serenity.<br />
I have been working the AA program for 15r years. I am an educated person iwth a skeptical questioning attitude and I think that your remarks of wrong and completly off base.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 75 years the time surely has come to unveil this hoax that infects the human condition and promotes an intellectual cancer with a destiny to inhibit the thoughts and actions of free individuals.
Was Patrick Henry not divine to the greater cause of our purpose when his voice rose to our hearts and minds.&quot;Give me liberty or give me death.&quot;

The contrast of this purpose in AA dogma is clear in so many ways.And please let me be brief and to the point as the issues are complex and deserving of much greater discourse.

First who is Bill Wilson anyway?Listen Moses and Charlie Manson both spoke to God? What higher power or powers did they talk to? By the way there is growing evidence God(s) are women anyway.

The Big Book...often treated as the third testament. So poorly written and illogically connected with incongruent anecdotes that it severes any relationship with the science of statistical study.In so doing defies the inate common senses and reasonings of the human mind.

To add,this is not the first time such programming has been used in recent history. Turn to Nazi Germany and the comparisons are irrefutable.
Repeat the lie again again and again and it becomes the truth.Millions of Germans can attest to the evil power of this method.

Oh yea, Robert S MacNamara knew it too just ask 62,000 American boys

As I greatly admire the wisdom of the founding fathers of America in building the three cornerstone documents of a great nation.They understood the future would unfold in many ways and its constitution would need to be amended to account for new realities and the democratic will of&quot;we the people&quot; This humble sense gave the nation the opportunity to mature and grow wiser in time.Arrogance in thinking lost to the understanding of the limits of our judgements in a moment of time.

AA has no constitution that allows for the adjustment needed in current or future realities. Born in its axiomatic 12 steps and traditions dooms AA to a DARWINIAN failure. History shows that creatures,entities and nations that fail to adapt meet a certain demise. The arrogance of the so-called founders of AA planted the seeds of its demise at its birth. 

This in turn leads to one of the most insane hypothesis of their program.I will not bother with mathematical perspective here albeit one could have some fun overlaying algebra on the 12 steps. Rather let us examine the hypothesis &quot; there are 12 steps to recovery&quot;

First what is so magical about the number 12? How do we know there are not 16,23 or 45? The answer is there is no emphirical support for any number nor deductive scientific reasoning for 12 or less or more.We also all must be fools to believe that in 75 years no new steps have been found. To say they got it all right on the first go around redefines two words. Stupidity and arrogance.

They forgot that you cannot fool all the people all of the time.Has a ring to it...

Without much effort it is easy to imagine adding steps involving,nutrition,fitness,cognitive behavior and community work and so on. Also maybe the most important step would be to contribute and raise funds to cure the Disease. Much work in genetics and micro neuro bioligy is being done.Lets direct our resources to using the powerful tools of medical science to find a cure for this disease. 

Many other ailments have greater medical resources allocated to them. But the costs of this disease are perhaps exponential in cost and impact on the human condition compared to all others. AFTER 75 YEARS it is time for western medicine to seriously attack one the greatest costs to our society. To deny this is to deny existence itself.

Yet it will take more than medicine alone as broader interests and hard legislation and enforcement are needed. OUR culture must change and AA dogma must open its structure to reality if it desires to help.

For in the last analysis the real and only true purpose of AA is to go out of business.In that 100 years from today its success will be based on having no members.For this is the true torch that the spirits of the universe and humanity pass on to us.The challenge in holding this torch reaches for beyond the words of denial

IT IS TIME FOR A CURE and to those who say it cannot be done we should only ask why not? For we do look at things the way are and ask why. Again we just ask why not? 

The torch has been passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 75 years the time surely has come to unveil this hoax that infects the human condition and promotes an intellectual cancer with a destiny to inhibit the thoughts and actions of free individuals.<br />
Was Patrick Henry not divine to the greater cause of our purpose when his voice rose to our hearts and minds.&#8221;Give me liberty or give me death.&#8221;</p>
<p>The contrast of this purpose in AA dogma is clear in so many ways.And please let me be brief and to the point as the issues are complex and deserving of much greater discourse.</p>
<p>First who is Bill Wilson anyway?Listen Moses and Charlie Manson both spoke to God? What higher power or powers did they talk to? By the way there is growing evidence God(s) are women anyway.</p>
<p>The Big Book&#8230;often treated as the third testament. So poorly written and illogically connected with incongruent anecdotes that it severes any relationship with the science of statistical study.In so doing defies the inate common senses and reasonings of the human mind.</p>
<p>To add,this is not the first time such programming has been used in recent history. Turn to Nazi Germany and the comparisons are irrefutable.<br />
Repeat the lie again again and again and it becomes the truth.Millions of Germans can attest to the evil power of this method.</p>
<p>Oh yea, Robert S MacNamara knew it too just ask 62,000 American boys</p>
<p>As I greatly admire the wisdom of the founding fathers of America in building the three cornerstone documents of a great nation.They understood the future would unfold in many ways and its constitution would need to be amended to account for new realities and the democratic will of&#8221;we the people&#8221; This humble sense gave the nation the opportunity to mature and grow wiser in time.Arrogance in thinking lost to the understanding of the limits of our judgements in a moment of time.</p>
<p>AA has no constitution that allows for the adjustment needed in current or future realities. Born in its axiomatic 12 steps and traditions dooms AA to a DARWINIAN failure. History shows that creatures,entities and nations that fail to adapt meet a certain demise. The arrogance of the so-called founders of AA planted the seeds of its demise at its birth. </p>
<p>This in turn leads to one of the most insane hypothesis of their program.I will not bother with mathematical perspective here albeit one could have some fun overlaying algebra on the 12 steps. Rather let us examine the hypothesis &#8221; there are 12 steps to recovery&#8221;</p>
<p>First what is so magical about the number 12? How do we know there are not 16,23 or 45? The answer is there is no emphirical support for any number nor deductive scientific reasoning for 12 or less or more.We also all must be fools to believe that in 75 years no new steps have been found. To say they got it all right on the first go around redefines two words. Stupidity and arrogance.</p>
<p>They forgot that you cannot fool all the people all of the time.Has a ring to it&#8230;</p>
<p>Without much effort it is easy to imagine adding steps involving,nutrition,fitness,cognitive behavior and community work and so on. Also maybe the most important step would be to contribute and raise funds to cure the Disease. Much work in genetics and micro neuro bioligy is being done.Lets direct our resources to using the powerful tools of medical science to find a cure for this disease. </p>
<p>Many other ailments have greater medical resources allocated to them. But the costs of this disease are perhaps exponential in cost and impact on the human condition compared to all others. AFTER 75 YEARS it is time for western medicine to seriously attack one the greatest costs to our society. To deny this is to deny existence itself.</p>
<p>Yet it will take more than medicine alone as broader interests and hard legislation and enforcement are needed. OUR culture must change and AA dogma must open its structure to reality if it desires to help.</p>
<p>For in the last analysis the real and only true purpose of AA is to go out of business.In that 100 years from today its success will be based on having no members.For this is the true torch that the spirits of the universe and humanity pass on to us.The challenge in holding this torch reaches for beyond the words of denial</p>
<p>IT IS TIME FOR A CURE and to those who say it cannot be done we should only ask why not? For we do look at things the way are and ask why. Again we just ask why not? </p>
<p>The torch has been passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Karla</title>
		<link>http://www.saramayhew.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/efficacy-in-substance-abuse-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-5839</link>
		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sara, 

did you write this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sara, </p>
<p>did you write this?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara E.M.</title>
		<link>http://www.saramayhew.com/blog/index.php/2010/02/efficacy-in-substance-abuse-treatment/comment-page-1/#comment-5840</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara E.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Electro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without elaboration, THANK YOU! for that insightful and well researched post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without elaboration, THANK YOU! for that insightful and well researched post.</p>
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